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Gareth Roberts's avatar

FANTASTIC! I went in all smug thinking ‘oh Doyle won’t tell me anything I don’t know …’ WRONG. Fresh insights! 👏👏👏

Andrew Doyle's avatar

Thanks Gareth!

Tenaciously Terfin's avatar

I thoroughly enjoyed this and got new insights. Thank you for sharing your amazing intellect…and I apologise for sounding like a fawning fan girl! 🫣

Andrew Doyle's avatar

You are too kind!

Olga Peycheva's avatar

I already watched it! It was very interesting and I am thinking of subscribing to listen to the other lectures.

I think you are right. He wrote from the actor’s perspective. I think he had these dialogues running in his heat and he wrote them down. This is why his characters are different - they were not created synthetically but were real people in his mind which he probably played to himself while writing.

You can imagine that such way of writing is really exhausting and takes a lot of mental energy!

Plagiarism in art is a complicated topic. If you think of the painters, for example, copying someone else techniques was a form of appreciation and not necessarily stealing.

Andrew Doyle's avatar

I would say influence rather than plagiarism! All artists borrow from others.

Jake Scanlan's avatar

Dear Andrew,

I'm really looking forward to your Shakespeare lecture. Earlier today I was listening to a back-and-forth about the justification of starting the Iran conflict when suddenly a line from the Bard came to mind which perfectly encapsulates the morass of moral dilemmas this war has wrought upon us:

"What, ostler? Come away and be 'anged!"

I need add nothing further.

Andrew Doyle's avatar

When it comes to human nature, nothing much ever changes!

Jake Scanlan's avatar

Dear Andrew, 

The role that cemented my love of Shakespeare was Robert Hardy's rich, ripe and fabulously fruity Falstaff from Henry IV Part 1 broadcast on BBC Radio 3 back in 1995. That portrayal may well be viewed as a cliche or caricature now but I adored his Robert Hardy - but not Brian Blessed - mannerisms along with a superb company. My C-90  cassette recording has long since worn out but my question is why can't I buy that performance from the BBC now? I would pay a King's ransom! Why let these treasures moulder underground when they could be earning revenue? I might as well ask my little jar of Tewkesbury mustard...

Dusty Masterson's avatar

Thanks, Andrew, excellent piece.

Have cross posted to provide some relief for my Terfy readers!!

https://dustymasterson.substack.com/p/84-charing-cross-road

Dusty

Doll Tearsheet's avatar

Just wondered if you're aware of the lovely portrait of Shakespeare at the National Portrait Gallery in London - attributed to John Taylor c 1610. The NPG says that it is the only reasonably authentic comtemporary likeness of Shakespeare and they give it a pretty solid provenance. Shakespeare has an expression of " can you hurry this up, I'm very busy"

Kate S's avatar

I'm so excited that Jordan Peterson and your lectures are available to watch!

Grace Under Fire's avatar

How about this as a theory on why the best of any art form happens early on? Maybe it’s because early on the new art form attracts a certain kind of innovative and daring person, whose attributes are encouraged by the fact that there are few rules. It improves very quickly, and others admire certain artists. They learn to do things like the artists they admire. This becomes the way to do whatever it is. Later generations are taught to do it this way, but none are as good as the person who originally expressed himself (or herself) in this way. Every now and again a new innovator turns up, but essentially most people are copying, doing their art as they have been taught, which allows for some originality, but not as much as is required, and not as comes wholly and naturally from themselves?

Anyway, thanks for a fascinating, well informed and insightful lecture, as we have come to expect.